She recalls that Mr. Carter had had several drinks by this point and seemed quite drunk. There's a terminal about how they mayor of diamond city is a synth, meant to help sway opinions and gather intel about the wasteland in general so their scientists don't have to actually hit the surface; but as you said, each person seems to have a different opinion on them. The Institute does NOT kidnap people. A person was pointing a gun at a person that appeared identical to them-self, kneeling on the floor with their hands raised. - Page 5. True the Railroad technically gives the choice of having their memories wiped or not, but it seems to be a non-choice for the synths. Press J to jump to the feed. So, why does the Institute replace people? However, how do they replace people? Yeah, that's the impression I got. In 2229 (some 60 years before the player visits Diamond City), Mr. Carter visited Diamond City. So they want the best for humanity I get it, but what in the world is the point of replacing commonwealth citizens with identical synths, is this somehow going to create a utopian society? The Institute, despite its appearances of being a last bastion of technology and reason of the old world, is a place devoid of ethics. There are no firm answers provided in the game. The CPG was an attempt to create some form of government within the wasteland, drawing representatives from every major settlement within the Commonwealth. According to them, humans will no longer need to scavenge or hunt for food but instead, be left to pursue other interests such as creating art or advancing science while the Institute synths take care of the basics for humans. The Fallout 4 Subreddit. I recently started playing Fallout 4 again after a long string of playing modded New Vegas and this question started to bug me. Confrontations can be seen in the Commonwealth in which a person has mysteriously disappeared for a few days, only to be accused of being a synth upon their return. Maybe low light and careful clothing allowed for him to pass as human? Perhaps everyone should just get Pip-boys and VATS for detection purposes. The synth confirmed that they were a synth, and asked me to help them kill the other guy so that he could take over his life. It could have simply been blamed on synths due to the building fear of them, without a synth actually being responsible. Will synths be a slave labor class while all ten of the remaining humans sip mimosas? In my travels in the Commonwealth, I have also come across someone being replaced by a synth in a random encounter. The Institute is a legendary nation of scientists housed in an advanced subterranean metropolis under the ruins of the Commonwealth Institute of Technology. they seem to be made of blood and flesh, like a regular human). Danse is, apparently, a rogue with a memory wipe, but one the Institute tracks as they have the reset code they can use on him in battle. To me, it seems that the “live replacement” witnessed by the player may have been somewhat in error. They are then implanted with fake benign memories, and turfed out in to the wastes to do as they please. The problem with space junk: What is the problem? It seems unlikely. As he opened fire, he showed no emotion. They're just watching and waiting until the day it becomes safe again. So why is it that when the player encounters a replacement, they witness the human in the Commonwealth directly confronting their clone? it's like they just lumped it in to ENSURE the institute is NOT actually a well written, morally grey faction. Despite all of my thinking on this, I really don’t know. It seems that people would not be very happy with this. I would sorely like to recruit him to the Minutemen if he can be saved, and just give him a set of headphones made to keep ‘factory reset code’ as a silent translation so that he just can’t hear those words in that order. Then again, VATS can be used to detect if any settlers within the player’s towns have been replaced by synths, by inspecting their energy resistance levels. Did the human escape? This is an ersatz INTEL network and when coupled with the spying cameras the Institute has in the Commonwealth, allows for the identification, tracking and dealing with rogues. It seems likely that Nick cannot be unique. Do coursers gather intel about the person? Perhaps they do it simply because they can. There’s no debate that the Institute replaces people with synths. Fallout 4-76 transforms the Commonwealth into an open world with all areas unlocked and no human NPCs for a quest free land of scavenging opportunity. Are the timings of these events a co-incidence, or was Mr. Carter a prototype gen 3 created using Shaun’s DNA? Anyone who blames the Institute for the "Attack" on Diamond City does not know or pay attention to the truth. Humans are a great detriment to the world, particularly in the Fallout universe where they destroy it, so why not replace our species with near perfect, peaceful synths? It seems that the copy would absolutely need to be able to take a copy somehow to be able to fit in in the original’s place. It seems safe to assume that Mr. Carter was not a gen 1 or 2 synth for people to have not recognised him as non-human, but people seem to struggle with identifying gen 3 synths (i.e. Still, it seems the the BoS is technologically on a level with the Enclave in Fallout 4, and so it seems bizarre that they would not be able to get an x-ray machine to work. One quest you have to help a synth keep his position, and he's there to test plant growth in the wasteland. Danse being an unaware synth (as well as Sturges, potentially) points towards the Institute using replaced humans as sleeper agents. This is a misunderstanding perpetuated by the fact that your son is a rare example of someone who is kidnapped. The Institute is the most powerful and has undeniably done irreparable harm to the people of the commonwealth. However, after Virgil’s escape, it seems that the FEV testing lab has fallen into disuse by the Institute. To be creating full, biologically accurate copies of people, it seems that they would have to abduct people first to be able to create their copies. They have escaped just to be destroyed, only their body is able to potentially move forwards. Your email address will not be published. The Institute is an advanced scientific organization based in the Commonwealth. It appears that the Institute does occasionally recruit scientists, but that's about it; they seem far more interested in being isolated from the rest of the world. You hear rumors in the Commonwealth, but lots of people are quick to say that it’s a myth. Perhaps people are not suspicious of those wearing very covering armor? It seems odd to be so concerned about the body, when the existence/behavior of the synths prove that what is human is the mind. But according to the quest in the Compound, phase 3 synths are indistinguishable from humans in every way, not just superficially. One organization, The Institute, is full of superior technology and wishes to replace the world with a better version even … The Institute are the only faction who are truly evil since they intend to replace the human race with a race of slaves. As gen 3 synths seem to be biologically very similar to humans (down to it being possible to “romance” them), their detection without killing them seems to be a difficulty. The process can be seen in game, as previously mentioned. If a Courser can’t take down a rogue, then there is little that can be done as that rogue is either more capable than any Courser or has friends able to deal with them and are not worth further resources to go after them. The Institute tried to help establish a government to maintain order and peace. Piper’s newspaper, Publick Occurrences, contains an account of what happened from the point of view of Eustace Hawthorne, one of Diamond City’s oldest residents. #15 < > Showing 1-15 of 67 comments Personally, I still don’t 100% see them as the bad guys. I thinks it was so they could have control over certain things in the wasteland. I personally would have liked to see more Nick-style gen 2 synths in the Commonwealth. Eustace commented that he was one of the early model synths. Through heresay in the Commonwealth, it seems that synths act as sleepers, pretending to be humans until they suddenly kill everyone. - #141188707 added by captchakid at Fallout 4 The Institute is a faction in Fallout 4.They are concerned with the preservation of humanity via technology and are involved in the production of Synths which they use as their security force along with their deadly special ops coursers. Fallout 4. Your average gen 1/2/3 synths do not hold up very well in combat. In some cases that makes sense, but in others it doesn't. Their reason to exist isn’t compelling enough. My thoughts go along the lines of yours, particularly during Human Error. Perhaps the copy is dispatched without the “mind” of their target, and they have some method of copying their memories/knowledge during the abduction/disposal? This seems like it would be a counter-intuitive action on the Institute’s part. If you notice from within the institute there's a wall of CRT TV's that shows various hidden cameras all over the wastelands. I have no clue what their motto would be beyond, “Best Hope for Humanity”. However, Coursers are not famous for their diplomacy skills. He can help the player build the teleporter to gain access to the Institute for the first time, but as Father wanted to speak to the player this does not really suggest anything for/against him being aware of being a synth. Link to my Twitter: https://twitter.com/VinylicPuma Hey guys, so I've wanted to make a video discussing my thoughts on the Institute for a while now. [A Fallout Reddit thread; bad language alert] Author’s note: There’s no chance of changing The Institute and their apparent goal to replace humans instead of augmenting them. I would love to wander the Wasteland as The Silver Shroud, righting wrongs and handing out justice to the wrong-doers. Perhaps the synth survived, perhaps it did not. However, in Fallout 4, you’re presented with two organizations that have responded to the evils of the post-nuclear world with brutality and deceit. Human outsiders are not trusted, and generally thought of as vio… But no one will say why the synths are being built, or why they’re being made to be human replacements. The Institute seems to have no interest in recovering him, having wiped his memories of the Institute and set him free. Instead of helping the human population, The Institute replaces them with synths and makes . It can be useful for the player to clear out synths as in the event of synths attacking a settlement, synth settlers will join in with the attack on human settlers. Once you reach the Institute you see that the Gen 3 synths really are indistinguishable from humans. Due to having to travel the Commonwealth to reach the meeting, it seems likely that people were armed. One synth has become quite high up in the chain of a gang of raiders, and the Institute is very keen to recover them. They do have plans for better farming (as seen at Warwick), but that isn’t going to do very much to bolster a population that, of necessity, must be manufactured (although Deacon does raise an issue of Synths having children who, perforce, cannot be Synths…another great DLC venue, really). It seems to build paranoia among the people of Diamond City, and has even led to suspicions that he is in fact a synth. She is able to enter Diamond City while wearing a full face mask to hide her appearance (as ghouls are not allowed in Diamond City). Other players have suggested that perhaps it was done so that the Institute feels like less of a morally grey faction. The Railroad mind-wipes synths who have gotten free from the institute and have sentience. There did not seem to be any reason for him to open fire. If a representative from ever major settlement was sent, it seems that a large number of people were in attendance at the CPG meeting. I would ask, how is this that different from what the Institute does? I’ve been playing a lot of Fallout 4 recently, and there’s one glaring question that I find hasn’t been addressed: Why does the Institute replace people with synths? If they are caught by the Institute their memories are wiped, and they are returned to work. Did they want to be the Commonwealth’s only shot at civilization, being the only ones to form/run a government? Perhaps they replace people to be able to manipulate the public interest, such as in Diamond City. Mr. Carter reportedly had arrived in town earlier that day and had been quite friendly, setting people around him at ease. the institute is replacing people, no idea why, random encounter was a guy pointing a gun at a synth kneeling down and they both had the same name/clothes/hair/ - #141180080 added by createdjustnow at Fallout 4 If you are a pre-war individual with any experience of pre-war tech, then you should have some understanding of how an x-ray machine works. Not only is it weird to do in the first place, it does nothing but cause distrust from the Commonwealth. If an Institute synth really did massacre everyone on it’s own, it seems unlikely that it would have been a regular synth. Just let me use Ballistics Weave Mk.V on the costume and hat and I’m set. They are wiped and given new memories. Then again, perhaps having McDonough be aware of the Institute/his position is more beneficial. They are a scientifically literate, technologically advanced, strongly hierarchical society, with humans performing "thinking" jobs, and synth slaves performing manual labor and any tasks "beneath" humans. Cookies help us deliver our Services. The Battle of Bunker Hill: Track down and recover escaped Synths. They were originally meant to be a tool, but beacuse of how advanced they are, and the proof of free will and even dreams, lots of opinions ahve changed on what the synths COULD be. Part 2 is harder, but Virgil points to the FEV used by the Institute as different than that seen in prior Fallout games: it can be created with a weakness for reverting individuals. In essence, the Railroad frees the synth body, but not the mind. Either way, I am disappointed that the player is not provided with more information on the “why” of the Institute’s activities. During the Great War, a number of CIT personnel survived by taking refuge in the underground level of the campus. Synths encountered by the Railroad are given the opportunity to have their memories wiped, and their face redesigned. They want to be the saviors of humanity...but all the surface dwelling humans are "dirty" so I don't doubt that they could care less if everyone from the surface dies, so they can re-populate the earth with perfected people. Perhaps part of the reason that the Institute wishes to recover such rogue synths but is happy to have Nick (and human-replacing synths) wandering the Commonwealth is because of their attitudes. Some how, this thread remionds me of why on some level, I do respect and feel a slim degree of empathy for Kellog. By completing some Institute quest chains, you are sent out to assist a Courser in recovering such synths. There is just enough lore to explain most things in Fallout 4 to not be annoyed about it, as much as I would have liked more, especially to do with Brotherhood and the Lone Wanderer. I mean, that worked out so well in Vault 75, didn’t it? They want humanity to survive, and forming a government seems like it would be a first step in the direction of re-forming a civilization. However, it appears to be very inefficient. They say synths are the future...but of what? What’s the opposite of an Owl? One institute scientist mentions how awesome it would be to never have to sleep again, and another mentions how with the new gen 3 synths are a great improvement upon humanity. Father and other members of the Institute never really give you a justifiable reason as to why they kidnap people, or what happens to them afterward. It is unclear if the Institute is able to passively collect data off of such individuals, or if they simply sit in rest until they are needed by the Institute. and even the reason to set Fallout 4 in Boston is all based on one side-quest in Fallout 3 which was a pretty rote turn at an “artificial humans”/”are androids people?” story. Without warning he opened fire on the residents around him, in an event that has become known as the “Broken Mask”. skyhrg. Perhaps if the Institute could replace the majority of the people (as seen in The World’s End movie), they could facilitate a sort of peace in the wastelands. before the original can be removed), or perhaps they intend for the copy to dispose of the original them-self. By using synths, the institute hopes to drastically boost the standard of living for all humans that exist in that post-apocalyptic world. Does this mean that the Railroad is providing more of an assisted suicide service for synths, rather than truly “freeing” them? There must be a separate group from the Institute working on this project post-Virgil as newer and more powerful Super Mutants continue to arrive post-Institute. As to the plans for replacement it is a slow, multi-step process from what I can figure out. Suddenly, the smile left his face and his cheek started twitching. Old hospitals seen throughout the Commonwealth appear to contain x-ray machines, alongside x-ray printouts. Both effectively destroy what was human within than synth, which to me defeats the purpose of that synth having escaped. I’m not even sure they know why themselves. The mayor is a synth. Sturges, one of the first NPCs encountered by the player, drops a synth component when being killed. Old Shaun's (Father) plan is probably revolves around replacing children with gen 3 or gen 4 synths. Your email address will not be published. It seems that the matter of what actually happened at the CPG meeting is never properly addressed. So, why abduct people if you do not need them to be able to create clones? Maybe the twitching of the face was a sign of Mr. Carter attempting (yet failing) to rebel against his coding, to show some humanity and not shoot people? Gather samples, test new theories in plant growth, etc. There does seem to be a tendency to ascribe more malice to synths than they actually display, however. . ThisIsAKnoife 4 years ago #4 it's not explained very well, if at all. He states that it ended in bickering and infighting, and that it was a disaster. That, admittedly, is one of the nitpicks I think people bring up when they are butthurt with Fallout 4. This, combined with the knowledge of pre-war ghouls, makes it seem very odd that no-one has repaired an x-ray machine to working order. Perhaps the most famous case is that of Mr. Carter in Diamond City. Right? They replace a person so they're not introducing a random new person to a society that is suspicious of newcomers as it is. Somehow, his pure DNA was able to be used to create more perfect gen 3 synths. I use cookies to ensure you get the best experience out of my website. This is what the remains of the CIT building (with The Institute underneath) look like if you destroy The Institute during the main quest. It is known and feared for its ability to produce advanced synthetic humans (also known as synths) of high enough quality to pass as true humans. If it was discovered by the people of the Commonwealth that the leader of a gang of raiders was a synth, there would be even more paranoia about the Institute. Their use of gen 3 synths as slaves seems to be a major cause of their bad reputation among the player base. Perhaps synths like Nick are a form of “public relations” action being taken by the Institute? Just set up one Companion to be Madame Mystery…or put that as an alternate for an NPC like Magnolia (if you can tear her away from the stage…although she would be great on SS Radio come to think of it…calling Lynda Carter!) I think they are capturing/recruiting the persons with skills they want and replacing them with synths. 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